but the u.s. bishops decided they would publish it themselves. i told that to him and he said, yes, the american bishops are orthodox when it comes to money. right away, that little irony, you know. >> yeah. >> when you saw him when he was elected pope, he comes down on the balcony, i'm just a humble -- he is. that's true. but he knew that he was speaking to hundreds of millions of people. >> but -- so he is a real person. >> wonderfully gracious. >> well aware of his humanity and his gifts. we're going to sneak away. when we come back, you talk about when he became pope. there's a wonderful interview on the website and in it you say that pope benedict didn't want to be pope. we're going to ask you that when we come back. stay with us. remember, front page here. the pope resignation. where else can you hear it? >> we are very excited today to be able to talk about the resignation of pope benedict xvi and its many context. we are here today with the father who studied with the holy father when he was father ratzinger. he knows him well and we're t